@IvanGadni HAHA … @IvanGadni HAHA learned idiot! Couldn’t of put it better myself. I once watched a doco about 5 ppl over the age of 100. They were all asked their secrets of longevity. One Afghan man smoked Hashish everyday and ate lots of fresh fruit and veg and MEAT. Antoher farmer from Romania said his diet consisted of mainly eggs and tripe (offal from the stomachs of various farm animals). These ppl lived to be over 100 by doing what the “experts” say not to.
@IvanGadni
If you … @IvanGadni
If you must ignore the free radical destruction science, then how about general biochemistry of nutrition. The body must maintain a PH of 7.43 to be healthy. Excess acid is sent to the lymphatic system.
All foods ingested create either an alkaline ash or an acidic ash in the intestine which then affects the PH of the body. Fruits and vegetables create an alkaline ash, increasing PH while proteins, fats, starches, oils, legumes create an acidic ash decreasing PH to acid.
@onetao8 Did you … @onetao8 Did you saw the documentary “Alone in the Wilderness”? Is about a 50 y.o. man who went to live alone on Alaska. He built his home from woods and lived there for the next 30 years fully functional and healthy.
His diet was, homegrown vegetables, fish and animal meat…
Conclusion. Eat eggs, meat or whatever you want, Just be sure that it is natural.This is the whole philosophy about nutrition.
HBDynamo is a learned idiot, don’t pay attention to his nonsense.
@HBDynamo … @HBDynamo Considering how off my face i am right now and how much out their is supposedly going to kill me, i could go hide under a blanket or just do what i want to. If meat is killing me it’s worth it.
If you want to educate people about this you could go to Will Brinks Channel Brinkzone.
@onetao8
I can’t … @onetao8
I can’t help your inability to understand valid peer reviewed scientific studies on nutrition and it’s effects on the human biological system.
(ALL) “animal protein intake is destructive to muscle tissue.” is not my opinion but is a valid scientific conclusion from many aging, geriatric, and nutrition studies by qualified scientists. Please see ex. 1 “Targets of Free Radicals” below.
I have provided proof for my statements, please post your valid peer reviewed information.
@HBDynamo WOW u r … @HBDynamo WOW u r pretty good at copy and pasting. All these comments make sense but a lot of them say “can” or “could” which suggests they haven’t found a definitive answer. I agree excessive protein intake is unnecessary and silly. This is the comment u made that caused me to comment”It is not a matter of debate, the science is in, animal protein intake is destructive to muscle tissue”. You didn’t say “excessive” protein intake just any intake is bad. That IMO opinion is wrong.
We’ve all heard the myth that extra protein builds more muscle. In fact, the only way to build muscle is through exercise. Bodies need a modest amount of protein to function well. Extra protein doesn’t give you extra strength.”
WebMD fitness-exercise/guide/benefits-protein
“Chronic high … “Chronic high dietary protein intake or intake of dietary amino acids in excess or above actual needs leads to an increase in amino acid oxidation to maintain amino acid homeostasis.”
Harper A. E. Some concluding comments on emerging aspects of amino acid metabolism. J. Nutr. 1994;124:1529S-1532S
All these studies are based on animal protein; vegetable protein, like soy, does not produce this affect.
“To date, there are … “To date, there are no proven or adequately confirmed benefits and possibly some risks of a chronic high protein intake.”
Durnin J.V.G.A., Garlick P., Jackson A. A., Schürch B., Shetty P. S., Waterlow J. C. Report of the IDECG Working Group on lower limits of energy and protein and upper limits of protein intakes. Eur. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;53(suppl. 1):S174-S176
“Targets of Free … “Targets of Free Radicals
Due to there reactive nature, free radicals can indescriminately attack macromolecules such as DNA, protein, and lipid to cause damage to these molecules.”
Physiological Basis of Aging and Geriatrics by Paola S. Timiras
@onetao8
“This … @onetao8
“This catabolic process involves the mitochondrial redox chain, which is a physiologic source of free oxygen radicals. Thus, we hypothesized that a high protein diet may contribute to enhanced mitochondrial oxygen radical generation, resulting in oxidative stress”
Petzke K. J., Proll J., Brückner J., Metges C. C Plasma protein carbonyl concentration is not enhanced by chronic intake of high-protein diets in adult rats. J. Nutr. Biochem. 1999;10:268-273
@HBDynamo Are you … @HBDynamo Are you saying animal protein doesn’t build muscle but it does destroy it? Me and millions of people have used protein to recover from exercise and grow muscle. There are lot’s of studies supporting this. Eggs are considered to have the best protein. Did you know many scientists consider protein from red meat to be a major factor in the development of the human brain? If you eat too much you it out it doesn’t harm your kidneys or liver animal fat on the other hand does.
@gjkristi
It is … @gjkristi
It is not a matter of debate, the science is in, animal protein intake is destructive to muscle tissue. Once free radicals destroy muscle tissue it cannot be revived.
The liver and kidneys can only process n amount of protein, greater than that and you tax their ability to function properly. No animal protein is best, since no free radicals will be created, hence no destruction of muscle tissue.
Look 4 UCLA and U. of Wisconsin Nutrition white papers, avoid magazine articles.
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realsoundtracks28 January 2012 at 3:55 am (PERMALINK)
@jerrymonkey Nope. … @jerrymonkey Nope. You must eat anyway. What you need are workouts. Not specifically weight lifting or heavy workouts, more like fitness, running or jogging.
You can try it out. Normally people who are good at storing fat, react badly to diets. But if you convert it to all proteins, sometimes your metabolism increases. But it is easier to do exercises and chi kung (nei gong) in the mornings, as that boosts your metabolism automatically.
Sorry, but that … Sorry, but that part about requiring 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight is absolutely false. It’s propaganda from the protein supplement companies. Back in the 40s and 50s when guys were much more conservative about their protein intake, they were building plenty of quality muscle. You do need more than the average sedentary person, but nowhere near as much as they would have you believe.
@HBDynamo
I have … @HBDynamo
I have read tons of articles on protein suplement research, not one has mentioned that it is destructive or harmful in any way.
Some that I have read have mentioned that horses can get protein poisoning but there has not been any documented evidence that claims humans get any bad side effects from taking in to much protein. But ofc everything is up for debate, some say carbohydrates are bad for you, while some asian cultures have high carb diets and still live longer then most.
I would start to … I would start to count on how many cals you are taken a day. You would be surprized on how much everything adds up. There is a cal counter on market for smart phones. I wgh 220lbs 6’0 ft with 7% body fat. I take about 200 grams of protein a day. Just like with anything else you have to watch and play with it a bit before you can get it just right! GIGIDDY! Your body will be diff than others! But the Golden rule is ask your doc. But deff start and find out how much cals your intaking!
I weight 200lbs, … I weight 200lbs, but I’m not muscly. More chubby. I do train a lot of Wing Chun but no weight lifting or pure fitness workouts. I don’t necessarily eat unhealthy or eat a lot actually, but my body seams to be fast in putting everything for reserve. I was wondering, if a protein shake would be a good thing for me too to maybe counter my bodies effect. I train evenings and maybe it would help if I didn’t take anything except proteins (in any form) from late afternoons on. Is this idea recommended?
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Insomniac444428 January 2012 at 3:55 am (PERMALINK)
Don’t you guys … Don’t you guys agree with that Jin just solve all(many/most) of ur problems with training?
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shengchenfan28 January 2012 at 3:55 am (PERMALINK)
I’m going to have … I’m going to have to pick some of that up.
Nutrition is a … Nutrition is a touchy subject to start. Everyone has a different viewpoint as to why one should take protein, whether it’s whey, natural sources such as beef, chicken, turkey or to take AA, etc, etc.
I see everyone is … I see everyone is giving Jin a hard time but if you listen and hear him- your right to much of anything is bad for you. Jin is on the right track with this because According to the University of California Los Angeles (UCLA), the human body can handle up to 0.91 g of protein per lb a day; but always consult your doctor. He is trying to show you the way to path. This goes back to what Master Lee said which peeps forget about if you stare at my finger you will miss all the glory of the moon.
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@Bluerocka145 …
@Bluerocka145 hahah..i like that show!
well do what bear …
well do what bear gyrlls does and drink piss
@IvanGadni HAHA …
@IvanGadni HAHA learned idiot! Couldn’t of put it better myself. I once watched a doco about 5 ppl over the age of 100. They were all asked their secrets of longevity. One Afghan man smoked Hashish everyday and ate lots of fresh fruit and veg and MEAT. Antoher farmer from Romania said his diet consisted of mainly eggs and tripe (offal from the stomachs of various farm animals). These ppl lived to be over 100 by doing what the “experts” say not to.
@IvanGadni
If you …
@IvanGadni
If you must ignore the free radical destruction science, then how about general biochemistry of nutrition. The body must maintain a PH of 7.43 to be healthy. Excess acid is sent to the lymphatic system.
All foods ingested create either an alkaline ash or an acidic ash in the intestine which then affects the PH of the body. Fruits and vegetables create an alkaline ash, increasing PH while proteins, fats, starches, oils, legumes create an acidic ash decreasing PH to acid.
@onetao8 Did you …
@onetao8 Did you saw the documentary “Alone in the Wilderness”? Is about a 50 y.o. man who went to live alone on Alaska. He built his home from woods and lived there for the next 30 years fully functional and healthy.
His diet was, homegrown vegetables, fish and animal meat…
Conclusion. Eat eggs, meat or whatever you want, Just be sure that it is natural.This is the whole philosophy about nutrition.
HBDynamo is a learned idiot, don’t pay attention to his nonsense.
@HBDynamo …
@HBDynamo Considering how off my face i am right now and how much out their is supposedly going to kill me, i could go hide under a blanket or just do what i want to. If meat is killing me it’s worth it.
If you want to educate people about this you could go to Will Brinks Channel Brinkzone.
@onetao8
I can’t …
@onetao8
I can’t help your inability to understand valid peer reviewed scientific studies on nutrition and it’s effects on the human biological system.
(ALL) “animal protein intake is destructive to muscle tissue.” is not my opinion but is a valid scientific conclusion from many aging, geriatric, and nutrition studies by qualified scientists. Please see ex. 1 “Targets of Free Radicals” below.
I have provided proof for my statements, please post your valid peer reviewed information.
@HBDynamo WOW u r …
@HBDynamo WOW u r pretty good at copy and pasting. All these comments make sense but a lot of them say “can” or “could” which suggests they haven’t found a definitive answer. I agree excessive protein intake is unnecessary and silly. This is the comment u made that caused me to comment”It is not a matter of debate, the science is in, animal protein intake is destructive to muscle tissue”. You didn’t say “excessive” protein intake just any intake is bad. That IMO opinion is wrong.
“How Much Protein …
“How Much Protein Is Enough?
We’ve all heard the myth that extra protein builds more muscle. In fact, the only way to build muscle is through exercise. Bodies need a modest amount of protein to function well. Extra protein doesn’t give you extra strength.”
WebMD fitness-exercise/guide/benefits-protein
“Chronic high …
“Chronic high dietary protein intake or intake of dietary amino acids in excess or above actual needs leads to an increase in amino acid oxidation to maintain amino acid homeostasis.”
Harper A. E. Some concluding comments on emerging aspects of amino acid metabolism. J. Nutr. 1994;124:1529S-1532S
All these studies are based on animal protein; vegetable protein, like soy, does not produce this affect.
“To date, there are …
“To date, there are no proven or adequately confirmed benefits and possibly some risks of a chronic high protein intake.”
Durnin J.V.G.A., Garlick P., Jackson A. A., Schürch B., Shetty P. S., Waterlow J. C. Report of the IDECG Working Group on lower limits of energy and protein and upper limits of protein intakes. Eur. J. Clin. Nutr. 1999;53(suppl. 1):S174-S176
“Targets of Free …
“Targets of Free Radicals
Due to there reactive nature, free radicals can indescriminately attack macromolecules such as DNA, protein, and lipid to cause damage to these molecules.”
Physiological Basis of Aging and Geriatrics by Paola S. Timiras
@onetao8
“This …
@onetao8
“This catabolic process involves the mitochondrial redox chain, which is a physiologic source of free oxygen radicals. Thus, we hypothesized that a high protein diet may contribute to enhanced mitochondrial oxygen radical generation, resulting in oxidative stress”
Petzke K. J., Proll J., Brückner J., Metges C. C Plasma protein carbonyl concentration is not enhanced by chronic intake of high-protein diets in adult rats. J. Nutr. Biochem. 1999;10:268-273
@HBDynamo Are you …
@HBDynamo Are you saying animal protein doesn’t build muscle but it does destroy it? Me and millions of people have used protein to recover from exercise and grow muscle. There are lot’s of studies supporting this. Eggs are considered to have the best protein. Did you know many scientists consider protein from red meat to be a major factor in the development of the human brain? If you eat too much you it out it doesn’t harm your kidneys or liver animal fat on the other hand does.
@gjkristi
It is …
@gjkristi
It is not a matter of debate, the science is in, animal protein intake is destructive to muscle tissue. Once free radicals destroy muscle tissue it cannot be revived.
The liver and kidneys can only process n amount of protein, greater than that and you tax their ability to function properly. No animal protein is best, since no free radicals will be created, hence no destruction of muscle tissue.
Look 4 UCLA and U. of Wisconsin Nutrition white papers, avoid magazine articles.
@jerrymonkey Nope. …
@jerrymonkey Nope. You must eat anyway. What you need are workouts. Not specifically weight lifting or heavy workouts, more like fitness, running or jogging.
@jerrymonkey
You …
@jerrymonkey
You can try it out. Normally people who are good at storing fat, react badly to diets. But if you convert it to all proteins, sometimes your metabolism increases. But it is easier to do exercises and chi kung (nei gong) in the mornings, as that boosts your metabolism automatically.
Sorry, but that …
Sorry, but that part about requiring 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight is absolutely false. It’s propaganda from the protein supplement companies. Back in the 40s and 50s when guys were much more conservative about their protein intake, they were building plenty of quality muscle. You do need more than the average sedentary person, but nowhere near as much as they would have you believe.
@HBDynamo
I have …
@HBDynamo
I have read tons of articles on protein suplement research, not one has mentioned that it is destructive or harmful in any way.
Some that I have read have mentioned that horses can get protein poisoning but there has not been any documented evidence that claims humans get any bad side effects from taking in to much protein. But ofc everything is up for debate, some say carbohydrates are bad for you, while some asian cultures have high carb diets and still live longer then most.
I would start to …
I would start to count on how many cals you are taken a day. You would be surprized on how much everything adds up. There is a cal counter on market for smart phones. I wgh 220lbs 6’0 ft with 7% body fat. I take about 200 grams of protein a day. Just like with anything else you have to watch and play with it a bit before you can get it just right! GIGIDDY! Your body will be diff than others! But the Golden rule is ask your doc. But deff start and find out how much cals your intaking!
I weight 200lbs, …
I weight 200lbs, but I’m not muscly. More chubby. I do train a lot of Wing Chun but no weight lifting or pure fitness workouts. I don’t necessarily eat unhealthy or eat a lot actually, but my body seams to be fast in putting everything for reserve. I was wondering, if a protein shake would be a good thing for me too to maybe counter my bodies effect. I train evenings and maybe it would help if I didn’t take anything except proteins (in any form) from late afternoons on. Is this idea recommended?
Don’t you guys …
Don’t you guys agree with that Jin just solve all(many/most) of ur problems with training?
I’m going to have …
I’m going to have to pick some of that up.
Nutrition is a …
Nutrition is a touchy subject to start. Everyone has a different viewpoint as to why one should take protein, whether it’s whey, natural sources such as beef, chicken, turkey or to take AA, etc, etc.
I see everyone is …
I see everyone is giving Jin a hard time but if you listen and hear him- your right to much of anything is bad for you. Jin is on the right track with this because According to the University of California Los Angeles (UCLA), the human body can handle up to 0.91 g of protein per lb a day; but always consult your doctor. He is trying to show you the way to path. This goes back to what Master Lee said which peeps forget about if you stare at my finger you will miss all the glory of the moon.